Online Discussion on Gender Statistics Gaps: “Who are we leaving behind and how far?”

15 Jun '16 Wed 11:0006/15/2016 9:00pm EuroGender Online Discussion public Online Discussion on Gender Statistics Gaps: “Who are we leaving behind and how far?” Europe/Vilnius 06/15/2016 11:00am
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Ans Merens's picture

Because of the problems of comparability of positions in boards and academia I would suggest to use data on managers in the European Labour Force Survey. These are not the top positions but it is suren these data are comparable for all EU-countries.

Ligia Nobrega's picture

We are very grateful to all the contributions received so far, in particular those who resisted and stayed with us till this afternoon period.
According toour agenda we should be near the end of the online discussion.
we still would like to receive your views what refers to this area of Power and help us to identify which challenges will EIGE face regarding:

  1. the taking over of the data collection process on Women and Men in decision making?
  2. expanding data collection under this area?
Maris Goldmanis's picture

So, just to summarize the discussion on power, the following additional domains of power should be considered:

  • academia (research and higher education)
  • IT (possible source the European Organisation for Security - EOS)
  • sports (possible source the National Olympic Committees)

In addition, the work of Eurofound on Social partners and gender equality in Europe should be taken into consideration for further ideas for expansion of the area of power. 
Anything else we are missing?

Ligia Nobrega's picture
Ans Merens wrote:

Because of the problems of comparability of positions in boards and academia I would suggest to use data on managers in the European Labour Force Survey. These are not the top positions but it is suren these data are comparable for all EU-countries.

Many thanks Ans and welcome to our discussion.

This could be considerdd under the entry point of the gender equality index in the domain of Power, specifically under the field of related variables.

Maris Goldmanis's picture
Ligia Nobrega wrote:

We are very grateful to all the contributions received so far, in particular those who resisted and stayed with us till this afternoon period.

According toour agenda we should be near the end of the online discussion.

we still would like to receive your views what refers to this area of Power and help us to identify which challenges will EIGE face regarding:

  1. the taking over of the data collection process on Women and Men in decision making?
  2. expanding data collection under this area?

I presume it is fair to say that we should attempt to integrate the above-mentioned domains of power into the WMIDM database once EIGE takes over?

Marjut Pietiläinen's picture
Ans Merens wrote:

Because of the problems of comparability of positions in boards and academia I would suggest to use data on managers in the European Labour Force Survey. These are not the top positions but it is suren these data are comparable for all EU-countries.

How about European Working Conditions Survey's  "immediate boss is a woman"? It tells something about the middle management

Ligia Nobrega's picture
Maris Goldmanis wrote:
Ligia Nobrega wrote:

We are very grateful to all the contributions received so far, in particular those who resisted and stayed with us till this afternoon period.

According toour agenda we should be near the end of the online discussion.

we still would like to receive your views what refers to this area of Power and help us to identify which challenges will EIGE face regarding:

  1. the taking over of the data collection process on Women and Men in decision making?
  2. expanding data collection under this area?

I presume it is fair to say that we should attempt to integrate the above-mentioned domains of power into the WMIDM database once EIGE takes over?

It is a proposal that should be considered by EIGE while improving the current structure of the gender statistics database.

Ligia Nobrega's picture
Marjut Pietiläinen wrote:
Ans Merens wrote:

Because of the problems of comparability of positions in boards and academia I would suggest to use data on managers in the European Labour Force Survey. These are not the top positions but it is suren these data are comparable for all EU-countries.

How about European Working Conditions Survey's  "immediate boss is a woman"? It tells something about the middle management

Many thanks Marjut. We will also take it on board.

Dan Moldovan's picture

Sorry but it’s time for me to leave the group. Fruitful discussions onwards.

Ligia Nobrega's picture

As previously mentioned, our online discussion is already near the end.
In the next 40 minutes we would like still to receive your questions/comments/suggestions you are willing to share in connection to EIGE’s Gender Statistics Database.
Otherwise, you are also invited to keep posting your thoughts related to the questions launched during the event as the session is still open till 20h00.

Ligia Nobrega's picture
Dan Moldovan wrote:

Sorry but it’s time for me to leave the group. Fruitful discussions onwards.

Many thanks for your contributions Dan and hope to see you soon in our events.

Ivana Naskova's picture
Ligia Nobrega wrote:

We are very grateful to all the contributions received so far, in particular those who resisted and stayed with us till this afternoon period.

According toour agenda we should be near the end of the online discussion.

we still would like to receive your views what refers to this area of Power and help us to identify which challenges will EIGE face regarding:

  1. the taking over of the data collection process on Women and Men in decision making?
  2. expanding data collection under this area?

I welcome the taking over of the data collection process on Women and Men in decision making by EIGE and the efforts for improvement. I also support the proposal for including data on academic professors in the database

Gaelle Ferrant's picture

Thank you for this really interesting online discussion.
I agree that decision-making power within the household is an important topic. However, guidelines to how measure it are required to allow EIGE (or other) to collect data that are comparable.
The notion of power within the household is difficult to define and then to meaure. Despite those technical issues, it seems important to recognze intra-household inequalities and try to understand them.

I am wondering whether individual poverty and intra-household inequalities could also be added in the future research programmes?

Irene Rioboo-Leston's picture
Ligia Nobrega wrote:
Maris Goldmanis wrote:
Ligia Nobrega wrote:

We are very grateful to all the contributions received so far, in particular those who resisted and stayed with us till this afternoon period.

According toour agenda we should be near the end of the online discussion.

we still would like to receive your views what refers to this area of Power and help us to identify which challenges will EIGE face regarding:

  1. the taking over of the data collection process on Women and Men in decision making?
  2. expanding data collection under this area?

I presume it is fair to say that we should attempt to integrate the above-mentioned domains of power into the WMIDM database once EIGE takes over?

It is a proposal that should be considered by EIGE while improving the current structure of the gender statistics database.

congratulations for the taking over of the WMIDM database. I am sure that it will beneficiate by all your expertise

Gaelle Ferrant's picture

I also support the includion of data on female researchers and female in academic. Details on type of contract, type of programme of research are important to capture the gender perspective.
I would like to signal the new UNESCO data: women in Science.

Irene Rioboo-Leston's picture
Irene Rioboo-Leston wrote:
Ligia Nobrega wrote:
Maris Goldmanis wrote:
Ligia Nobrega wrote:

We are very grateful to all the contributions received so far, in particular those who resisted and stayed with us till this afternoon period.

According toour agenda we should be near the end of the online discussion.

we still would like to receive your views what refers to this area of Power and help us to identify which challenges will EIGE face regarding:

  1. the taking over of the data collection process on Women and Men in decision making?
  2. expanding data collection under this area?

I presume it is fair to say that we should attempt to integrate the above-mentioned domains of power into the WMIDM database once EIGE takes over?

It is a proposal that should be considered by EIGE while improving the current structure of the gender statistics database.

congratulations for the taking over of the WMIDM database. I am sure that it will beneficiate by all your expertise

Something that I really miss in the WMIDM database is the metadata. It would be great if you could improve this part providing the same detailed information that you currently provide in the EIGE´S database

Maris Goldmanis's picture
Gaelle Ferrant wrote:

Thank you for this really interesting online discussion.

I agree that decision-making power within the household is an important topic. However, guidelines to how measure it are required to allow EIGE (or other) to collect data that are comparable.

The notion of power within the household is difficult to define and then to meaure. Despite those technical issues, it seems important to recognze intra-household inequalities and try to understand them.

I am wondering whether individual poverty and intra-household inequalities could also be added in the future research programmes?

Gaelle --- that's a very important and interesting avenue to explore. Although also a very complex one. I'd suppose this would need to be an entirely separate project.

Maris Goldmanis's picture
Gaelle Ferrant wrote:

I also support the includion of data on female researchers and female in academic. Details on type of contract, type of programme of research are important to capture the gender perspective.

I would like to signal the new UNESCO data: women in Science.

Gaelle --- thanks for the suggestion. We'll definitely look into the new UNESCO data.

Irene Rioboo-Leston's picture
Gaelle Ferrant wrote:

Thank you for this really interesting online discussion.

I agree that decision-making power within the household is an important topic. However, guidelines to how measure it are required to allow EIGE (or other) to collect data that are comparable.

The notion of power within the household is difficult to define and then to meaure. Despite those technical issues, it seems important to recognze intra-household inequalities and try to understand them.

I am wondering whether individual poverty and intra-household inequalities could also be added in the future research programmes?

That´s a very interesting point that would also affect to the Gender Equality Index, which could cover some intra-household inequalities. For example, including the use of the intra-household income in the domain of money, the share of care and domestic responsabilities in the domain of time and the intra-household decision making in the domain of power

Maris Goldmanis's picture
Irene Rioboo-Leston wrote:
Irene Rioboo-Leston wrote:
Ligia Nobrega wrote:
Maris Goldmanis wrote:
Ligia Nobrega wrote:

We are very grateful to all the contributions received so far, in particular those who resisted and stayed with us till this afternoon period.

According toour agenda we should be near the end of the online discussion.

we still would like to receive your views what refers to this area of Power and help us to identify which challenges will EIGE face regarding:

  1. the taking over of the data collection process on Women and Men in decision making?
  2. expanding data collection under this area?

I presume it is fair to say that we should attempt to integrate the above-mentioned domains of power into the WMIDM database once EIGE takes over?

It is a proposal that should be considered by EIGE while improving the current structure of the gender statistics database.

congratulations for the taking over of the WMIDM database. I am sure that it will beneficiate by all your expertise

Something that I really miss in the WMIDM database is the metadata. It would be great if you could improve this part providing the same detailed information that you currently provide in the EIGE´S database

Irene --- good point. Expanding and improving metadata is one of the general directions that I expect work on EIGE's database will focus on in the future (not only within WMIDM).

Ligia Nobrega's picture
Gaelle Ferrant wrote:

Thank you for this really interesting online discussion.

I agree that decision-making power within the household is an important topic. However, guidelines to how measure it are required to allow EIGE (or other) to collect data that are comparable.

The notion of power within the household is difficult to define and then to meaure. Despite those technical issues, it seems important to recognze intra-household inequalities and try to understand them.

I am wondering whether individual poverty and intra-household inequalities could also be added in the future research programmes?

Many thanks for your suggestions Gaelle.

EIGE is following the progress on measuring poverty and intrahousehold inequalities and will therefore reflect it in the database as well.

Markovska Bojkica State Statistical Office of Republic of Macedonia's picture
Irene Rioboo-Leston wrote:
Ligia Nobrega wrote:
Maris Goldmanis wrote:
Ligia Nobrega wrote:

We are very grateful to all the contributions received so far, in particular those who resisted and stayed with us till this afternoon period.

According toour agenda we should be near the end of the online discussion.

we still would like to receive your views what refers to this area of Power and help us to identify which challenges will EIGE face regarding:

  1. the taking over of the data collection process on Women and Men in decision making?
  2. expanding data collection under this area?

I presume it is fair to say that we should attempt to integrate the above-mentioned domains of power into the WMIDM database once EIGE takes over?

It is a proposal that should be considered by EIGE while improving the current structure of the gender statistics database.

congratulations for the taking over of the WMIDM database. I am sure that it will beneficiate by all your expertise

and Congratulations from Macedonia, I think that will be benefite for all

Irene Rioboo-Leston's picture

Another very interesting aspect that was raised in a previous meeting with EIGE is to try to find the way to know if the women that are taking part in the descision making processes in the political, social, economic.... areas are "the same women"  in the those areas considered

Markovska Bojkica State Statistical Office of Republic of Macedonia's picture

Thank you for this interesting online discussion. Bye...

Gaelle Ferrant's picture

Thank you for your answer. I'm looking forward to see the updated database.
I wish you all a nice afternoon.
Greetings from Paris (OECD).

Irene Rioboo-Leston's picture

Thanks for this interesting discussion and congrats again for the great work done with the database.
Best wishes from Madrid

European Commission, DG Eurostat's picture

Eurostat says Bye now.
We did not have much to contribute to the discussion about power. In Sustainable Development Indicators there are some indicators on Good Governance, but that is a wider concept and there is hardly any gender dimension.

Ivana Naskova's picture

It was a pleasure to be part of this online discussion.
Greetings from Skopje (State statistical office)

Giovanni Razzu's picture

Hi and apologies to be solate on this but have had  two extended meetings!
although the issue of intersectionality was discussed in the morning, I would like to say something anyway.
certainly, within the migration area, the intersection between gender and ethnicity is of much relevance. however, you may want o consider whether, instead of ethnicity per se, the intersection between ethnicity and religion is of relevance as well. this, at least for the UK, has been found very relevant in a couple of studies in the recent past, particulalry when looking at some labour market outcomes, i.e. participation and pay most notably. the point is that looking at ethnicity or religion separately does not help distinguish their contribution clealry and a consideration of ethno-religios groups, intersected with gende, might help further undertsnading of the labour market prospects of some ethnic minority women, particulalry in the case of thise where religion and ethicity overalp substantially.
gender and age is of course another important intersectionality, relevant not just for labour market issues but also health and ther dimensions captured, for instance, by the GEI.

Giovanni Razzu's picture

on the deciison making domanin, my views are that a key issue here is the so-called pipeline: men and women just below the board or top decision making positions. more particulalry, I feel, but I udnerstand  it is not an easy data collection exercise, that we need to have more data on the vbarriers to progression. some of the realtively more intersting literature in my opinion, that from behavioural economics, shows some gender differences in atitudes thata re considered more likely to be associated with achieving board's positions, such as risk-avertion, competitiveness, altruism etc. I wonder whether this is an area where some more consistent data collection effort can be made beyond data collected through lab experiments.
on asimilar note, in order to understand better the pipeline and barriers to progression, data on networks of women and men could be very helpful. I know that Boardex for instance collect this kind of information for many countries. this is worth considering as well.